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Tuesday, March 20, 2012

collation

Hi,
I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
operation'.
I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
loaded db:
SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
Data
tempdb:
Latin1_General_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
I would have thought the above would have been ok?
Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
Thanks.Hi sysbox27,
Definitly not the same! You can:
1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
database.
OR
1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
can be done:
Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
collation in SQL Server
Article Link:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
Sasan Saidi
Senior DBA
"sysbox27" wrote:
> Hi,
> I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
> I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> operation'.
> I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> loaded db:
> SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> Data
> tempdb:
> Latin1_General_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> Thanks.|||Hi Sasan,
firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > width-insensitive
> > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > Data
so how do I get this collation set?
thanks again.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> Hi sysbox27,
> Definitly not the same! You can:
> 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
> database.
> OR
> 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
> Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
> column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
> can be done:
> Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
> collation in SQL Server
> Article Link:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
> Sasan Saidi
> Senior DBA
> "sysbox27" wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
> > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> > operation'.
> >
> > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> > loaded db:
> > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > width-insensitive
> > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > Data
> >
> > tempdb:
> > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > width-insensitive
> >
> > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> >
> > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> >
> > Thanks.|||If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported by
Microsoft® SQL Server� 2000:
SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
Sasan
"sysbox27" wrote:
> Hi Sasan,
> firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
> see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > width-insensitive
> > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > > Data
> so how do I get this collation set?
> thanks again.
>
>
>
> "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> > Hi sysbox27,
> >
> > Definitly not the same! You can:
> > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
> > database.
> > OR
> > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
> > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
> > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
> > can be done:
> >
> > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
> > collation in SQL Server
> > Article Link:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
> >
> > Sasan Saidi
> > Senior DBA
> >
> > "sysbox27" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
> > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> > > operation'.
> > >
> > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> > > loaded db:
> > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > width-insensitive
> > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > > Data
> > >
> > > tempdb:
> > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > width-insensitive
> > >
> > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> > >
> > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> > >
> > > Thanks.|||Sasan,
right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I don't
see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation to
what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned below?
many thanks.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported by
> Microsoft® SQL Server� 2000:
> SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
> Sasan
> "sysbox27" wrote:
> > Hi Sasan,
> > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
> > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> >
> > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > > width-insensitive
> > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > > > Data
> >
> > so how do I get this collation set?
> >
> > thanks again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi sysbox27,
> > >
> > > Definitly not the same! You can:
> > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
> > > database.
> > > OR
> > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
> > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
> > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
> > > can be done:
> > >
> > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
> > > collation in SQL Server
> > > Article Link:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
> > >
> > > Sasan Saidi
> > > Senior DBA
> > >
> > > "sysbox27" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
> > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> > > > operation'.
> > > >
> > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> > > > loaded db:
> > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > > width-insensitive
> > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> > > > Data
> > > >
> > > > tempdb:
> > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> > > > width-insensitive
> > > >
> > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.|||sysbox27,
Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitive
for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is the
default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
HTH,
Bart
--
Bart Duncan
Microsoft SQL Server Support
Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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| Sasan,
| right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
don't
| see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
to
| what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
below?
| many thanks.
|
| "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
|
| > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
supported by
| > Microsoft® SQL Server� 2000:
| >
| > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
| >
| > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
| >
| > Sasan
| > "sysbox27" wrote:
| >
| > > Hi Sasan,
| > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
| > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
I don't
| > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
| > >
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > >
| > > so how do I get this collation set?
| > >
| > > thanks again.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
| > >
| > > > Hi sysbox27,
| > > >
| > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
| > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
user
| > > > database.
| > > > OR
| > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation
by A)
| > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
table/alter
| > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
the above
| > > > can be done:
| > > >
| > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
another
| > > > collation in SQL Server
| > > > Article Link:
| > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
| > > >
| > > > Sasan Saidi
| > > > Senior DBA
| > > >
| > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
| > > >
| > > > > Hi,
| > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
load, however
| > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal
to
| > > > > operation'.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
| > > > > loaded db:
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > > > >
| > > > > tempdb:
| > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > >
| > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
| > > > >
| > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks.
||||Thank you Bart & Sasan for your help.
Regards.
"Bart Duncan [MSFT]" wrote:
> sysbox27,
> Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
> to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
> Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
> form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitive
> for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is the
> default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
> HTH,
> Bart
> --
> Bart Duncan
> Microsoft SQL Server Support
> Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> --
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> | Sasan,
> | right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
> don't
> | see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
> to
> | what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
> below?
> | many thanks.
> |
> | "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> |
> | > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
> supported by
> | > MicrosoftÃ?® SQL Serverââ'¢ 2000:
> | >
> | > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> | >
> | > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
> | >
> | > Sasan
> | > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | >
> | > > Hi Sasan,
> | > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> | > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
> I don't
> | > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> | > >
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > >
> | > > so how do I get this collation set?
> | > >
> | > > thanks again.
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > Hi sysbox27,
> | > > >
> | > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
> | > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
> user
> | > > > database.
> | > > > OR
> | > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation
> by A)
> | > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
> table/alter
> | > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
> the above
> | > > > can be done:
> | > > >
> | > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
> another
> | > > > collation in SQL Server
> | > > > Article Link:
> | > > >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k
> | > > >
> | > > > Sasan Saidi
> | > > > Senior DBA
> | > > >
> | > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | > > >
> | > > > > Hi,
> | > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
> load, however
> | > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal
> to
> | > > > > operation'.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> | > > > > loaded db:
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > > > >
> | > > > > tempdb:
> | > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Thanks.
> |
>

collation

Hi,
I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
operation'.
I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
loaded db:
SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
Data
tempdb:
Latin1_General_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
I would have thought the above would have been ok?
Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
Thanks.
Hi sysbox27,
Definitly not the same! You can:
1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
database.
OR
1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
can be done:
Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
collation in SQL Server
Article Link:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=sql2k
Sasan Saidi
Senior DBA
"sysbox27" wrote:

> Hi,
> I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
> I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> operation'.
> I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> loaded db:
> SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
> Data
> tempdb:
> Latin1_General_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> Thanks.
|||Hi Sasan,
firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
[vbcol=seagreen]
so how do I get this collation set?
thanks again.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi sysbox27,
> Definitly not the same! You can:
> 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
> database.
> OR
> 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
> Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
> column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
> can be done:
> Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
> collation in SQL Server
> Article Link:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=sql2k
> Sasan Saidi
> Senior DBA
> "sysbox27" wrote:
|||If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported by
Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
Sasan
"sysbox27" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Sasan,
> firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
> see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
>
> so how do I get this collation set?
> thanks again.
>
>
>
> "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
|||Sasan,
right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I don't
see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation to
what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned below?
many thanks.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported by
> Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
> SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
> Sasan
> "sysbox27" wrote:
|||sysbox27,
Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitive
for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is the
default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
HTH,
Bart
Bart Duncan
Microsoft SQL Server Support
Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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| Sasan,
| right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
don't
| see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
to
| what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
below?
| many thanks.
|
| "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
|
| > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
supported by
| > Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
| >
| > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
| >
| > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
| >
| > Sasan
| > "sysbox27" wrote:
| >
| > > Hi Sasan,
| > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
| > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
I don't
| > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
| > >
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > >
| > > so how do I get this collation set?
| > >
| > > thanks again.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
| > >
| > > > Hi sysbox27,
| > > >
| > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
| > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
user
| > > > database.
| > > > OR
| > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation
by A)
| > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
table/alter
| > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
the above
| > > > can be done:
| > > >
| > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
another
| > > > collation in SQL Server
| > > > Article Link:
| > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=sql2k
| > > >
| > > > Sasan Saidi
| > > > Senior DBA
| > > >
| > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
| > > >
| > > > > Hi,
| > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
load, however
| > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal
to
| > > > > operation'.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
| > > > > loaded db:
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > > > >
| > > > > tempdb:
| > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > >
| > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
| > > > >
| > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks.
|
|||Thank you Bart & Sasan for your help.
Regards.
"Bart Duncan [MSFT]" wrote:

> sysbox27,
> Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
> to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
> Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
> form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitive
> for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is the
> default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
> HTH,
> Bart
> --
> Bart Duncan
> Microsoft SQL Server Support
> Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
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> | Sasan,
> | right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
> don't
> | see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
> to
> | what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
> below?
> | many thanks.
> |
> | "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> |
> | > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
> supported by
> | > Microsoft?? SQL Servera?¢ 2000:
> | >
> | > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> | >
> | > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
> | >
> | > Sasan
> | > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | >
> | > > Hi Sasan,
> | > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> | > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
> I don't
> | > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> | > >
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > >
> | > > so how do I get this collation set?
> | > >
> | > > thanks again.
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > Hi sysbox27,
> | > > >
> | > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
> | > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
> user
> | > > > database.
> | > > > OR
> | > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation
> by A)
> | > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
> table/alter
> | > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
> the above
> | > > > can be done:
> | > > >
> | > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
> another
> | > > > collation in SQL Server
> | > > > Article Link:
> | > > >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=sql2k
> | > > >
> | > > > Sasan Saidi
> | > > > Senior DBA
> | > > >
> | > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | > > >
> | > > > > Hi,
> | > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
> load, however
> | > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal
> to
> | > > > > operation'.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> | > > > > loaded db:
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > > > >
> | > > > > tempdb:
> | > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Thanks.
> |
>

collation

Hi,
I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, however
I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
operation'.
I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
loaded db:
SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unicode
Data
tempdb:
Latin1_General_CI_AS
Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
width-insensitive
I would have thought the above would have been ok?
Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
Thanks.Hi sysbox27,
Definitly not the same! You can:
1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
database.
OR
1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alter
column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the above
can be done:
Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
collation in SQL Server
Article Link:
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...5&Product=sql2k
Sasan Saidi
Senior DBA
"sysbox27" wrote:

> Hi,
> I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to load, howev
er
> I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal to
> operation'.
> I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> loaded db:
> SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for non-Unico
de
> Data
> tempdb:
> Latin1_General_CI_AS
> Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive, kanatype-insensitive,
> width-insensitive
> I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> Thanks.|||Hi Sasan,
firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don't
see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
[vbcol=seagreen]
so how do I get this collation set?
thanks again.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi sysbox27,
> Definitly not the same! You can:
> 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your user
> database.
> OR
> 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation by A)
> Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter table/alt
er
> column has many restrictions). The following article describes how the abo
ve
> can be done:
> Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to another
> collation in SQL Server
> Article Link:
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k[/ur
l]
> Sasan Saidi
> Senior DBA
> "sysbox27" wrote:
>|||If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported by
Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
Sasan
"sysbox27" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Sasan,
> firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that I don
't
> see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
>
> so how do I get this collation set?
> thanks again.
>
>
>
> "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
>|||Sasan,
right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I don't
see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation to
what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned below
?
many thanks.
"Sasan Saidi" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> If you run the following to see the list of all the collations supported b
y
> Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
> SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
> Sasan
> "sysbox27" wrote:
>|||sysbox27,
Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitive
for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is the
default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
HTH,
Bart
--
Bart Duncan
Microsoft SQL Server Support
Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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|
| Sasan,
| right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
don't
| see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
to
| what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
below?
| many thanks.
|
| "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
|
| > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
supported by
| > Microsoft? SQL Server? 2000:
| >
| > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
| >
| > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 706!
| >
| > Sasan
| > "sysbox27" wrote:
| >
| > > Hi Sasan,
| > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
| > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
I don't
| > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
| > >
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > >
| > > so how do I get this collation set?
| > >
| > > thanks again.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
| > >
| > > > Hi sysbox27,
| > > >
| > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
| > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
user
| > > > database.
| > > > OR
| > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collation
by A)
| > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
table/alter
| > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
the above
| > > > can be done:
| > > >
| > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
another
| > > > collation in SQL Server
| > > > Article Link:
| > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...5&Product=sql2k
| > > >
| > > > Sasan Saidi
| > > > Senior DBA
| > > >
| > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
| > > >
| > > > > Hi,
| > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
load, however
| > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equal
to
| > > > > operation'.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
| > > > > loaded db:
| > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
non-Unicode
| > > > > Data
| > > > >
| > > > > tempdb:
| > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
| > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
kanatype-insensitive,
| > > > > width-insensitive
| > > > >
| > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
| > > > >
| > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks.
||||Thank you Bart & Sasan for your help.
Regards.
"Bart Duncan [MSFT]" wrote:

> sysbox27,
> Do a custom setup to see the collation dialog. On this dialog you'll want
> to select the "SQL Collations" radio button (the other will be "Windows
> Collations"). This will enable a drop down listbox at the bottom of the
> form. In this listbox you should select "Dictionary order case insensitiv
e
> for use with the 1252 character set". On a U.S. English system this is th
e
> default SQL collation, so you may not need to hunt for it in the list.
> HTH,
> Bart
> --
> Bart Duncan
> Microsoft SQL Server Support
> Please reply to the newsgroup only - thanks.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
.
>
> --
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> | Sasan,
> | right I see it in the list, but when I create a new server instance I
> don't
> | see that collation listed. how do I now go about changing the collation
> to
> | what I want or even building a new server with the collation mentioned
> below?
> | many thanks.
> |
> | "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> |
> | > If you run the following to see the list of all the collations
> supported by
> | > Microsoft?? SQL Servera?¢ 2000:
> | >
> | > SELECT * FROM ::fn_helpcollations()
> | >
> | > you will see "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS". On my server it is row 70
6!
> | >
> | > Sasan
> | > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | >
> | > > Hi Sasan,
> | > > firstly let me say thanks for the assistance - much appreciated.
> | > > in my case I'm quite happy to rebuild server, but my problem is that
> I don't
> | > > see the collation below listed when it comes time to setup:
> | > >
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > >
> | > > so how do I get this collation set?
> | > >
> | > > thanks again.
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "Sasan Saidi" wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > Hi sysbox27,
> | > > >
> | > > > Definitly not the same! You can:
> | > > > 1. Rebuild you master database to have the same collation as your
> user
> | > > > database.
> | > > > OR
> | > > > 1.Change your user database collation to match the server collatio
n
> by A)
> | > > > Using DTS or Alter database, Alter table/alter column (the Alter
> table/alter
> | > > > column has many restrictions). The following article describes how
> the above
> | > > > can be done:
> | > > >
> | > > > Article title: How to transfer a database from one collation to
> another
> | > > > collation in SQL Server
> | > > > Article Link:
> | > > >
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325335&Product=sql2k[/ur
l]
> | > > >
> | > > > Sasan Saidi
> | > > > Senior DBA
> | > > >
> | > > > "sysbox27" wrote:
> | > > >
> | > > > > Hi,
> | > > > > I have built a server based on a db's collation that I want to
> load, however
> | > > > > I still receive the 'cannot resolve collation conflict for equa
l
> to
> | > > > > operation'.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I have checked the collations of the loaded against the tempdb.
> | > > > > loaded db:
> | > > > > SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > > for Unicode Data, SQL Server Sort Order 52 on Code Page 1252 for
> non-Unicode
> | > > > > Data
> | > > > >
> | > > > > tempdb:
> | > > > > Latin1_General_CI_AS
> | > > > > Latin1-General, case-insensitive, accent-sensitive,
> kanatype-insensitive,
> | > > > > width-insensitive
> | > > > >
> | > > > > I would have thought the above would have been ok?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Does this mean a rebuild of master db to map collation to db?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Thanks.
> |
>

Sunday, February 19, 2012

Clustering Dimension

I am new to data mining and have a question about OLAP dimensions built from models. Do you know if you can use a dimension that was created by the mining model wizard in the same cube that is being used as the source for mining model it self? I keep getting an error about a dependency loop and just want to make sure that I am not trying to do something impossible.
If this is illegal, do you know of a way of doing this without essentially having one cube dependant on another via a mining model and dimension? I tried to use the wizard to create a mining off of a table but it did not give me the option of creating a dimension from it.

You have to create a new cube that is "essentially" dependant on the other via the model and dimension if you want to use the model directly as a data mining dimension. This uses linked measure groups and doesn't really impact performance or storage space - it's mostly just metadata.

The only option of using a table-based model as a dimension is to write out the cluster labels and simply make the cluster label as a dimension attribute. You could even append the cluster label to the source data (e.g. the customer table) and not have a seperate dimension, simply a browseable attribute on the dimension of interest

|||Makes sense. Thanks.|||

Jamie, can you provide more information on how to do this? We'd like to have a series of clusters in an existing household dimension. That is, we need multiple occurences of cluster model results. I've looked at the data source, dimension, and cube created by the data mining model, but I don't see where the case ID (Household Key) and the cluster name could be extracted to update the existing dimension. We're using the cube for the data mining source.

I'd also like to know how to keep the linked cube and the source cube metadata in sync. If I make a change to the source cube, say by adding a new measure, the metadata for the linked cube gets out of sync. I've been deleting the data mining dimension, cube, and dsv and them adding them back in using the data mining menu in the model. What am I doing wrong here?

Clustering Dimension

I am new to data mining and have a question about OLAP dimensions built from models. Do you know if you can use a dimension that was created by the mining model wizard in the same cube that is being used as the source for mining model it self? I keep getting an error about a dependency loop and just want to make sure that I am not trying to do something impossible.
If this is illegal, do you know of a way of doing this without essentially having one cube dependant on another via a mining model and dimension? I tried to use the wizard to create a mining off of a table but it did not give me the option of creating a dimension from it.

You have to create a new cube that is "essentially" dependant on the other via the model and dimension if you want to use the model directly as a data mining dimension. This uses linked measure groups and doesn't really impact performance or storage space - it's mostly just metadata.

The only option of using a table-based model as a dimension is to write out the cluster labels and simply make the cluster label as a dimension attribute. You could even append the cluster label to the source data (e.g. the customer table) and not have a seperate dimension, simply a browseable attribute on the dimension of interest

|||Makes sense. Thanks.|||

Jamie, can you provide more information on how to do this? We'd like to have a series of clusters in an existing household dimension. That is, we need multiple occurences of cluster model results. I've looked at the data source, dimension, and cube created by the data mining model, but I don't see where the case ID (Household Key) and the cluster name could be extracted to update the existing dimension. We're using the cube for the data mining source.

I'd also like to know how to keep the linked cube and the source cube metadata in sync. If I make a change to the source cube, say by adding a new measure, the metadata for the linked cube gets out of sync. I've been deleting the data mining dimension, cube, and dsv and them adding them back in using the data mining menu in the model. What am I doing wrong here?